Islam: examination on the christian belief

This week at the university West Of England it is Islam awareness week; where muslims on campus will be expressing there beliefs with people. Tonight even though I could not attend they kicked off there week with a talk on the challenge of the quaran.
To start off with a positive for islam, I believe the majority of people in islam to be caring, friendly, supportive and loving people who are also fighting terrorism and ashamed of the terrorists within islam. I also believe muhammed up to about 40 years old, mainly throughout his time in mecca was generally a likeable' person.

when reading the quaran especially leaving the haddith to one side, if you did not know anything about the belief of christanit and parts of judaism, you would have many misconseptions and would view christians as polytheists and even come to believe that christians are believing god had sex to produce jesus, as it states:

surah 2 aya 116 They say: "Allah has begotten a Son". Glory be to Him! His is what the heavens and the earth contain; all things are obedient to Him. Creator of the heavens and the earth! When he decrees a thing, He need only say "Be", and it is.
the word begotten has a few meaning but main meaning is to have sex and by looking at the context you can see that is the expression the quaran is given, especially when he then says he only need to say be and it is.

there are a few errors in this verse. the verse is attacking and targeting chrstianity. Christians tdo not believed god beget a son in that act, as we do not believe jesus was created, as we see in the old testement

isiah 9 6, for to us a child is born, a son is given.

Dr. James R. White notes,

The key element to remember in deriving the meaning of monogenes is this: it is a compound term, combining monos, meaning only, with a second term. Often it is assumed that the second term is gennasthai/gennao, to give birth, to beget. But note that this family of terms has two nu’s, νν, rather than a single nu, ν, found in monogenes. This indicates that the second term is not gennasthai but gignesthai/ginmai, and the noun form, genos. G. L. Prestige discusses the differences that arise from these two derivations in God in Patristic Thought (London: SPCK, 1952), 37-51, 135-141, 151-156.
Genos means "kind or type", ginomai is a verb of being. Hence the translations "one of a kind," "one and only," "of sole descent." Some scholars see the -genes element as having a minor impact upon the meaning of the term, and hence see monogenes as a strengthened form of monos, thereby translating it "alone," "unique," "incomparable."

this shows the bible monogonese genos, is translated the only begotten in the sence on unique and type. l

Luke in his gospel even shows us

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34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” [4]

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born [5] will be called holy—the Son of God.

As we can see there is no use of a sexual act to produce jesus he is not created.

My next point I would like to make is the quaran on the christian and jewish belief.

Surah 5 

73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

some translations such as the piktall use a third of a three in a trinity, which is quite similiar to the ali translation. What christian believes this? if we look at the context it is focusing on christians the people of the book. we do not believe god is one of three, but 3 in 1, its completely different. the Son, Father and Holy Spirit are 3 seperate persons who share the 100% co equal, co eternal glory and oness of the being of god. the quaran is in complete error, surely allah would know the christian belief? when we look at one of three, it stating allah is one of these 3 what? gods. so allah is one of those gods and jesus and not the holy spirit, as there is no mention of the holy spirit being god according to the quaran. This is where I move onto

Surah 5 aya 116

116. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Again errors. Christians do not believe mary is god. nor do catholics she is the intercessor in prayer and there is no such belief as mariamites. When looking again at context the quaran is focusing on christians and there is no christians sect that believes this. It then makes a vital mistake thinking christians believe jesus is a god beside allah, we do not believe that. shema yisrael adonia eloheinu adonai eichad. the lrod your god is one, christians believe in one god, not gods beside god, there is a difference between being and person. The being is what you are and person being who you are. God is a definition of a superior being, if there was someone greater than allah they would be allah, but who is allah or god is something different. As we can see the quaran is in complete error.

surah 4 aya 171

O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah.

Again we dont believe in three gods we believe in one god christians agree with this passage another error by the quaran.

9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they

Jews do not believe ezra is the son of god. name me one jew that believes this? it also doesnt even give that context, it states the jews, not a jew. If your going to say a certain jewish sect did or does, you have to hen say the same for christians when all christians believe jesus is the son of god. Giving the benefit of the doubt what jewish sect has or does believe this? ther eis absolutely no evidence.

Surah 5 aya 157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not

this is probably oneof my favourite verses and contains so many errors, there isnt even a commentry on this verse, as it is a complete mystery. some shcolars such as shbir aly believe jesus was put on the cross but survived, which is ridiculous, as there is not a slight bit of evidence to this and everyone who has been put on a cross by roman crucifixion has died or died later on through fungi and loss of blood.
It also states they did not crucify him meaning he wasnt even put on a cross, so that view can not be taken.

If we look at this verse from the begining. The jews killed jesus, now what jew would boast and call him the messiah and a messenger of allah? when they were killing him for claiming to be the messiah and god? it makes no sence, it shows the error of the quaran. jews did not believe he was the messiah or messenger of allah, so they would not say that, as they wouldnt want him to be killed if they thought he was the messiah.

There is also no evidence that someone else was put in his place.
even if we go out the bible and look at 1st century jewish and roman historians on jesus such as jospehus, tacitus, thalus, pliny the younger, lucian of marabia etc they all state jesus died by crucifixion. even his followers believed he died by crucifixion by reading the bible. the epsitle of baranabs dating to around 70 - 130 ad states he died by crucufion. there is absolutely no evidence.

The jewish talmud which is a saying of the rabbis, which dates before, prsent and future to christ states how jesus brother james was put to death for breaking the jewish law by believeing in jesus, but not as a prophet, as that is not breaking the jewish law, but believing he is divine

Jewish Antiquities 20.9

Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the BROTHER OF JESUS, who was called CHRIST, whose name was JAMES, and SOME OTHERS and when he had formed an accusation against them as BREAKERS of the LAW,he delivered them to be STONED.

the evidence jesus died on across is a historical fact, even skeptics from the jesus seminar believe jesus died on a cross. the quaran is in complete error.

When we laos look at thise verse we can see allah deceived eople making them thinking that jesus actually died on a cross and then appeared again on the third day, which shows allah created christianity according to the quaran.

These are just a few of the errrs we find in the quaran regarding the christian belief. repent and turn to the lord.

Matthew  7  7

 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened

Jesus is Lord

Bible reliablity

Today We have over 24,000 manuscript, scholars have still not even looked at some of them there are that many. There is more ancient manuscripts of the new testament than any other book  

5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions.

Earliest manuscripts of this is of john 18 papyri even earlier dated around 100 – 150 AD

Jose O’Callahan, a Spanish Jesuit paleographer, made headlines around the world

in 1972 when he announced that he had translated a piece of the Gospel of Mark on a

DSS fragment from the dead sea scrolls in quaram, the dead sea scrolls are mainly old testement. This was the earliest known piece of Mark. Fragments from cave 7 had

previously been dated between 50 B.C. and A.D. 50 and listed under “not identified” and

classified as “Biblical Texts.” O’Callahan eventually identified nine fragments. The center

column in the following chart uses the numbering system established for manuscripts.

For example, “7Q5” means fragment 5 from Qumran cave 7 dead sea scrolls

Mark 4:28 7Q6? A.D. 50

Mark 6:48 7Q15 A.D.

Mark 6:52, 53 7Q5 A.D. 50

Mark 12:17 7Q7 A.D. 50

It would also reveal the existence of

the New Testament canon during this early period, with pieces representing every

major section of the New Testament: Gospels, Acts, and both Pauline and General epistles

Acts 27:38 7Q6? A.D. 60

Romans 5:11, 12 7Q9 A.D. 70+

1 Timothy 3:16; 4:1-3 7Q4 A.D. 70+

2 Peter 1:15 7Q10 A.D. 70+

James 1:23, 24 7Q8 A.D. 70+

The fragment of 2 Peter would argue for the authenticity of this often disputed

epistle. The absence of fragments of John’s writings might indicate that they were

written later (A.D. 80-90) in accordance with the traditional dates. With all these

revolutionary conclusions it is little wonder that their authenticity is being challenged.

Magdelene Manuscript

The most significant find, however, is a manuscript fragment from the book of Matthew (chapt.26) called the Magdalene Manuscript which has been analyzed by Dr. Carsten Thiede, and also written up in his book The Jesus Papyrus. Using a sophisticated analysis of the handwriting of the fragment by employing a special state-of-the-art microscope, he differentiated between 20 separate micrometer layers of the papyrus, measuring the height and depth of the ink as well as the angle of the stylus used by the scribe. After this analysis Thiede was able to compare it with other papyri from that period; notably manuscripts found at Qumran (dated to 58 AD), another at Herculaneum (dated prior to 79 AD), a further one from the fortress of Masada (dated to between 73/74 AD), and finally a papyrus from the Egyptian town of Oxyrynchus. The Magdalene Manuscript fragments matches all four, and in fact is almost a twin to the papyrus found in Oxyrynchus, which bears the date of 65/66 AD Thiede concludes that these papyrus fragments of St. Matthew's Gospel were written no later than this date and probably earlier. That suggests that we either have a portion of the original gospel of Matthew, or an immediate copy, which was written while Matthew and the other disciples, and eyewitnesses to the events were still alive. This would be the oldest manuscript.

 Dr. Carsten Thiede, also mentions a fragment from the book of Mark found among the Qumran scrolls (fragment 7Q5) showing that it was written sometime before 68 AD chapter 6 verse 52-53  It is important to remember that Christ died in 33 AD, so this manuscript could have been written, at the latest, within 35 years of His death; possibly earlier, and thus during the time that the eyewitnesses to that event were still alive!"

1 corinthians 8 has been dated by scholars to just months after the death of Christ, in the Dublin castle museum lies this amazing fact, it states that Christians believe, jesus died on the cross, rose again on the third.

1^st century writers on Jesus who did not think he was divine mainly Romans and Jews

Corneilius tacitius book of annas volume 25

55-120 AD

Conforms jesus lived, formed Christianity, put to death by pontious pilate, it later spread to rome and formed in Judea

Lucian of samosata

Late first early second century

Said the Christians worship a man who introduced there novel rights and was crucified for it

Flvavious josephus

37 – 100 AD

Said jesus existed, both jews and gentiles followed him, was crucified by pontious pilate, he was the Christ, but at first those who loved him did not forsake him and on the third day rose from the grave. This was not a belief of josephus but him writing as a historian of oral tradition of Christians and the apostles

He also mentioned jesus brother james and others was handed over to the council of judges and was stoned for their beliefs Jesus found Christianity. There contains a lot of textual variation within flav josephus, but even if we look at the core of all the manuscripts it confirms jesus lived and died on the cross and Christians followed him.

Christians and Jews Claudius exposed them from Rome, which is also in acts

Thalus and tralles second century reliable historian know to the Romans

52 AD 

Mid day darkness during the Passover of the crucifixion, on the whole world appeared a fearfull darkness, earthquarake buildings collapsed, and it appears to me without reason as an eclipse of the sun, according to moon and passion before are saviour falls the day before the Passover. Eclipse of the sun when the moon comes under sun on the 6th hour to the 9th which is what we believe and people were healed lepors were healed the blind could see.

Maraba of superion

Mentioned how the jews were driven out of there land for killing there king as a punishment from god and mentions how the temple and Jeruslaem fell in 70 AD and the jews fled. Jesus was founded of the Christian faith, they look to him there spiritual king.

Christian writers 1st century and early second century

Epistle of barnabas 70 AD

Barnabas 5:13

But He Himself desired so to suffer; for it was necessary for Him to

suffer on a tree. For he that prophesied said concerning Him, Spare

My soul form the sword; and, Pierce My flesh with nails, for the

congregations of evil-doers have risen up against Me.

5:11

Therefore the Son of God came in the flesh to this end, that He might

sum up the complete tale of their sins against those who persecuted

and slew His prophets.

Clement of Rome to Corinthians 90 AD early church father lived and was taught by the apostles

Chapter 59

If, however, any shall disobey the words spoken by Him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and serious danger; but we shall be innocent of this sin, and, instant in prayer and supplication, shall desire that the Creator of all preserve unbroken the computed number of His elect in the whole world through His beloved Son Jesus Christ, through whom He called us from darkness to light, from ignorance to knowledge of the glory of His name

Chapter 24

Jesus rising from the dead

Ignatious of anticoh mentioned in acts 19 – 20 35 – 100 AD

ignatios letter to ephisians Chapter XV an apostle of the disciples who lived with the disiciples Ad 48 and martyred in 110 AD For he who shall both “do and teach, the same shall be great in the kingdom. Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, first did and then taught, as Luke testifies, “whose prai...se is in the Gospel through all the Churches. jesus is god

polycarp

69 – 155 AD martyred

to the Church of God sojourning at Philippi: Mercy to you, and peace from God Almighty, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour, be multiplied

the didechae 70 AD

the teachings of the apostles to Christians about what to do and not wha to do and to go and baptise in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit

for any people who have watched old bible found in Palestine it is not a bible it is the teachings of the apostles to Christians who stated the divinity of Christ

Footnotes

If you look at your bible at the bottom of the script it states in some manuscripts it says this or that.

Because of this a lot of people then believe the bible is corrupt. It is actually an amazing thing, as it shows we don’t lie about are text. The quaran has hardly any footnotes, not because there is no variant readings as the sana manscript is different to the uthmanic  quaran. Its just there is only 7 ancient quarans, as all manuscripts were burnt by uthman.

There is not one identical manuscript, as due to scribal error they will make mistakes. But it doesn’t change what the outline of what the gospels are saying. These variants are no more than spelling mistakes and the replacement of a similar word .e.g. I am eating some food, or I’m currently eating food. It doesn’t change the actual outline. And when it says some, it means some not all, like some people say. Take 20 manuscripts 17 of those manscuripts will say i am eating some food but 3 may im currently eating food.

I get asked a lot regarding mark 16 9 -20, as it is not in the earliest manuscripts. Well the two earliest manuscripts of mark don’t contain it and is most likely not in the originals. But the manuscripts after there are signatures stating not in originals. Mark 16 9 -20 was used for spiritual need to show people miracles that are happening currently as mark write his gospel after Christ rose from the dead. His gospel was most likely written in 50 AD. Mark 16 9 – 20 is actually quotes from luke on acts, pauls epistles and one from james, as i havnt got time read mark 16 – 20 and read these verses Acts 2:1-12, Acts 5:12-16, Acts 19:11-16, Acts 28:3-9, Romans 3:13, James 3:8.

Also regarding john 7 5 not being in the earliest manuscripts, it hasn’t been in any manuscript since the 15th century, when the apocrapher was added to the old testament to form the catholic bible.

Archealogical evidence

•   Luke refers to Lysanias as being the tetrarch of Abilene at the beginning of John the Baptist’s ministry, circa 27 A. D. (Luke 3:1) Historians accused Luke of being in error, noting that the only Lysanias known was the one killed in 36 B. C. Now, however, an inscription found near Damascus refers to "Freedman of Lysanias the tetrarch" and is dated from 14 and 29 A. D.
• Paul, writing to the Romans, speaks of the city treasurer Erastus (Romans 16:23). A 1929 excavation in Corinth unearthed a pavement inscribed with these words: ERASTVS PRO:AED:P:STRAVIT: ("Erastus curator of public buildings, laid this pavement at his own expense.")
• Luke mentions a riot in the city of Ephesus which took place in a theater (Acts 19:23-41). The theater has now been excavated and has a seating capacity of 25,000.
• Acts 21 records an incident which broke out between Paul and certain Jews from Asia. These Jews accused Paul of defiling the Temple by allowing Trophimus, a Gentile, to enter it. In 1871, Greek inscriptions were found, now housed in Istanbul which read:

NO FOREIGNER MAY ENTER WITHIN THE BARRICADE WHICH SURROUNDS THE TEMPLE AND ENCLOSURE. ANYONE WHO IS CAUGHT DOING SO WILL HAVE HIMSELF TO THANK FOR HIS ENSUING DEATH.

• Luke addresses Gallio with the title Proconsul (Acts 18:12). A Delphi inscription verifies this when it states, "As Lucius Junius Gallio, my friend, and the Proconsul of Achaia ..."
• Luke calls Publicus, the chief man of Malta, "First man of the Island." (Acts 28:7) Inscriptions now found do confirm Publicus as the "First man". (Josh McDowell, The Best of Josh Mcdowell: A Ready Defense, pp. 110-111)
• The five porticoes of the pool of Bethesda by the Sheep Gate and the pool of Siloam mentioned in John 5:2 and 9:1-7 has now been unearthed.
• The pavement (Gabbatha) of John 18:13 and Solomon’s porch in the Temple precincts (John 10:22-23), have been found.
• Archaeologists have unearthed Jacob’s well at Sychar. (John 4:5)
• An inscription found in Ceasarea confirms Pilate’s role as the prefect of Judea during the time of Christ.
• The discovery of a bone-box of a crucified man named Johanan from the first century Palestine confirms the fact that nails were used to pierce the ankles of the victims. Such was the case of Christ, of course, and this discovery is significant in answering the skeptics who believed that the Romans used only ropes to tie the victim’s legs to the cross.
• Finally, in 1990, the burial grounds of Caiaphas, the Jewish high priest, and his family were uncovered. This is an undeniable fact that Caiaphas existed as a true historical figure.

Dead sea scrolls

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·         300 years old to 50 AD

·         Complete isiah scroll

·         Deutonomy, genesis, psalms exodus, Daniel, jeremiah

Is the bible jesus the real jesus?

Certain gospels that never made it into the bible such as the epistle of barnabas, shepherd of hurmus, all say jesus is god and quote heavily from the four gospels we have in the bible, but are opinionted the epistle of barnabas says that the old testament is just for Christians not for jews, the shepherd of hurmus makes opinions on how women should be treated sexually.

Gnostism first came onto the scene in the 2nd century, even though some scholars do date this sect to the late 1st century the earliest being the gospel of Thomas 150 AD, but most scholars state  we know they never came any earlier because of the validity of the writing and that it was completely different to 1st century jewish writing .e.g. james white, ff brice, bruce metzger. They alos believe jesus didn’t come down into human flesh he came as just as a spirit and that god is evil as he created such a an evil world, only men can go to heaven, the gospel of judas mentions about the underworld, as jesus is from a spiritual relm and is against the evil god dualism.

Another sect was ebionites or the Nazarenes, which muslims state are the true Christians as they believed jesus was just a profit, which they didn’t. The ebionites were a second century group, not first century. We know they never existed in the first, as not one first century early church father or .e.g. polycapr, ignatious or clement mention them, nor do we contain ant evidence for them in that time period. Yet in the second century they get mentioned by 2nd century historians and church fathers.

 Irenaous a 2nd century church father quotes

Cerinthus ... represented Jesus as having not been born of a virgin, but as being the son of Joseph and Mary according to the ordinary course of human generation ... their [Ebionites'] opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates." (Irenaeus, Against Heresis 1.26.1-2).

2nd century historian hippolytus states

And therefore it was, (according to the Ebionaeans) that (the Saviour) was named (the) Christ of God and Jesus, since not one of the rest (of mankind) had observed completely the law. For if even any other had fulfilled the commandments (contained) in the law, he would have been that Christ. And the (Ebionaeans allege) that they themselves also, when in like manner they fulfil (the law), are able to become Christs; for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in a like sense with all (the rest of the human family). (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies 7.22)

This contradicts the muslim true Christians, as they believed the Christ was a spirit that entered people that god thought was a good jewish man who kept the law, the ebinites believed there were many christs to come and excepted the death and resurrection as we find in Irenaeus, Against Heresis 1.26.1-2 which also contradicts islam.

The gospel of baranbas is used a lot also by muslims, as it mentions muhammed, rejects the death of jesus on the cross, and claims him to be a prophet. It is used a lot in the book by ahmed Thompson and atur uh rahim jesus prophet of islam about how it was accepted by the church father duing the time of codex alexandrius. This is false and the book has clearly been rejected for many reasons.

the gospel of barnanbas was a 15the century gospel and the only copy we have is in Spanish found in Italy.
it does not agree with the quaran it said jesus was the christ not the messiah, they mean the same thing  so it was not a jew who wrote it as he would no there the same thing.

we know it never existed before muhammed and is a forgery, because t mentions this within the gospel

In the year 1300 A.D. Pope Boniface VIII falsely proclaimed that the Jubilee should be celebrated by Christians every 100 years instead of 50 years. However the next Pope, Clement VI, changed it back to every 50 years, and so it was celebrated in 1350 A.D.[7] Therefore, in the church's history there is a 50-year period when the Jubilee was thought by many to be every 100 years. The author of the Gospel of Barnabas has unknowingly accepted the Pope's false decree as true and included it in his book. For in the Gospel of Barnabas these words are put on Jesus' lips:

so much that the year of Jubilee, which now comes every 100 years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place (chap. 82).

We also find it quotes Dante who was a famous and popular poet of the 14th and later centuries. Among Dante's work is a book of poetry called, The Divine Comedy.[8] In this book he describes ascending through the heavens to reach paradise. Dante describes ascending through nine heavens, with paradise being the 10th. 

The author of the Gospel of Barnabas describes, in the same way as Dante, nine heavens before paradise:

Paradise is so great that no man can measure it. Verily I say unto thee that the heavens are nine, among which are set the planets, that are distant one from another five hundred years journey for a man ... and Verily I say unto thee that paradise is greater than all the earth and heavens together (chap. 178).

It appears that the author of the Gospel of Barnabas could have taken the idea of the nine heavens from reading Dante.

The early church

Many people state paul made up Christianity.paul never made up Christianity as i stated people such as josephus in the first century stated jesus was the founder of Christianity and also the disiplces confirmed paul.. 

The early Christians obviously focused on a single Messiah or Christ, a descendent of king David, whom they identified as Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 8:27-30; Acts 2:36). They clearly saw him as God's cosmic agent, who would return in power and glory to rule heaven and earth (Mark 14:61-62; 13:26-27). They expected that the entire cosmos would come under subjection to him (Phil 2:9-10; 1 Cor 15:24-28)). They remembered him as one who had power over the demonic spirits, over disease and death, and even over the forces of nature. This exalted view of Jesus is well summed up in the Markan version of the disciples' exclamation when he calms a storm on the Sea of Galilee:

The early church was persecuted as it was illegal to be a Christian, many were killed under the emperor nero in the first century. Christians shed there blood for 300 years. They were put on crosses, tortured, fed to the lions, burnt alive, the worst known was the spinning wheel which they stretched the bones and slowly crushed the bones with a rotating wheel. Slowly all because they wouldn’t deny jesus as lord. We find the evidence in many historical works .e.g.

Persecution of christians

justin martyr in the late 1st and eary 2nd century said about the martyring of Christians under emperor nero

Pliny the younger

60 AD – 110 AD

Christians were killed for their beliefs in Christ and were also tortured and would gather and sing to him as though he was a god.

He also said Christians had the choice to go to pagan traditions or back to their Jewish lives and say emperor is lord or be killed and they were killed for not denying Christ

Archaeologists in Rihab, Jordan, say they have discovered a cave that could be the world's oldest Christian church.

Dating to the period AD33-70, the underground chapel would have served as both a place of worship and a home.

It is claimed that it was originally used by a group of 70 persecuted Christians who fled from Jerusalem.

These early Christians lived and practised their faith in secrecy until the Romans embraced Christianity several hundred years later.

This article was found all over the world news and was publish in many English newspapers such as the times, guardian and independant.

The council of nicea was a council on who was jesus, they all agreed believed jesus was divine and all confirmed he fulfilled the law, which completely kncks 7 day Adventists on its head, jesus fulfilled the law he did not fufill ito the compnonent that we still do it. As paul states in romans and Galatians 5 if you serve the law you will be judged by the law, as jesus died on the cross nailing everything to it, fulfilling the  law sot hat it is written on are hearts to ever believes in him and excepts him as lord and saviour, through the grace we are saved, so yes that means Christians you can eat bacon. During the first century write up to this point there were 3 sects, the main sect was the orthodox sect which is what we believe today.

The arians believed jesus was created and became the son of god .e.g. the current belief of jehova witnesses. Because this was disregarded due to the fact it contradicted the old testament, the disciples stated jesus existed before .e.g. jesus declared t be the I AM, he stated before abrhama was I am, he also declare din john 17 father glorify me with the glory i had with you before the world existed.

The middle group orthodox believed in who jesus really is that he is the son of god, the third person of the onesses of god, he is a separate person to the father, but enternally shares the essence in the oneness of god is diety. 

The 3rd group the eusebians, believed jesus and the father were the same person, which contradicts the whole enw testament as jesus prayed to the father, he stated he would be at the right side of the father.

The council of nicea was nothing to do with making up jesus divinity or the cannon the new testament, as codex vaticanus which is the oldest compiled bible dates to 300 ad and the council of nicea was 325 ad.